What US city is comparable to Toronto?

Some people seem to have a hard time accepting the fact that all cities are unique in their own ways. A quick internet search will reveal quite a few online commenters engaged in long, fiery discussions about cities that are supposedly similar to each other.

Toronto is often mentioned in these discussions, and sometimes the proposed similarities of Toronto to other cities tend to undermine its uniqueness as a city.

But we all know Toronto is one-of-a-kind. Here are 7 Alpha cities around the world that are too frequently compared to Toronto, along with a few individual opinions on what makes each of them similar to it:

"When I first went there [Chicago], I couldn't get over some of the similarities. The tall buildings, cool baseball stadiums, lakefront location and similar people and climates are all areas of commonality. I found the food pretty similar; Toronto may have a slight edge with ethnic food, though it has nothing like Alinea. Even the cultural offerings (Aquarium, art museums, sports) are similar." - Maldwyn Jenkins, Online Commenter

"The two look similar from above:A dense urban core surrounded by a spider web of suburban dwellers. The official city populations are roughly equal, but when you take into account the surrounding suburbs — theirs, Chicagoland, and ours, Greater Toronto Area — Chicago’s population is 9.7 million compared with 5.5 million in the GTA." - Tim Alamenciakfor The Star

"In terms of diversity, London is a close comparison ... In terms of medicine and hospital facilities, it compares to any city with a large number of teaching hospitals. I think it compares to Boston, or London." - Rick Harris, Torontonian

"London can be very similar to Toronto sometimes, while other times you just don’t know what’s going on." - Chris McHughfor SWAP UK

"Climatically, Toronto in October is the same as London from September to June." - Evan Saskin, Architect

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"Toronto is New York, run by the Swiss." - Peter Ustinov, Writer

"Toronto is often compared to New York because it's the largest city in Canada and because it's known for its corporate headquarters." - Robynator, Online Commenter

"Well, I was only in Toronto briefly, but I was immediately struck by it's resemblance to New York City. It felt huge the way that only New York has felt to me... Toronto feels like a big city. I've only been there once - and that in passing - but it so reminded me of New York City - with it's canyons of glass and steel. It felt enormous, vibrant, hustling and alive. I live in Seattle - which is not exactly small - and Toronto made Seattle feel absolutely puny." - Lord Balfor, Online Commenter

"Melbourne, Australia has a very similar feel in terms of neighbourhoods, culture, and energy. It may explain why most Australians you meet in Toronto seem to hail from that particular city." - Connie Tsang, Toronto Photographer

"It is said that Melbourne is Toronto's precise equal for world cities. The difference is that Melbourne aims to progress and improve, and, because of this, is now leaving Toronto behind. It's not just about Melbourne-Toronto, but Australia in general has more of a want for progressing and also being all about Australia and its citizens." - NativeTorontonianAI, Online Commenter

"Having visited both Montreal and Toronto, I still believe that Melbourne is a better fit with Toronto. Population figures aside, the tram system is very similar to Melbourne and even the look and feel of the place gave me a familiar sense." - Melbourneguy, Online Commenter

"In terms of sports, and fan loyalty, we compare to Boston." - Rick Harris, Torontonian

On similarities: "Compact downtown, but multiple 'clusters' of tall buildings and satellite centers; main shopping arteries in small-scale buildings often converted from domestic use; quiet, leafy neighborhoods directly adjacent to or within blocks of major avenues; schools and universities as a fundamental part of the urban core and its fabric overall...

...An initial impression of suburban sobriety and quiet conservatism that yields distinctly subversive elements upon closer inspection; a much-used and iconic subway system that frankly could use a bit of work; a notion of somehow being 'British' or 'European' in flavor compared with most other American cities, yet is actually fairly unique." - Ladies Mile, Online Commenter

"Auckland’s Sky Tower (completed 1997) comes very close to the CN Tower’s (built 1975) design. There are many similarities but the CN tower holds the record for being the World’s Tallest Freestanding Structure on Land by the World Federation of Great Towers at 553 meters (1,815 feet and 5 inches). The Auckland Sky Tower ranks 12th at 328 meters." - William for meltingPOT

"Having visited Auckland I can tell you it’s a lot like Toronto (where I live). It’s a wonderful city to live in but not very exciting to visit." - Ayngelina, Online Commenter

"Some similarities [Toronto has] with Auckland included rising immigration, strong jobs growth and a population which envisaged no end to price rises during the boom." - Anne Gibson for the NZ Herald

"Toronto most reminds me of Philadelphia ... Similar amounts and quality of arts and culture; similar crippling inferiority complex due to constant self-comparisons with NYC; similar bustling, compact, mixed-use downtown cores (in fairness, Toronto's is about twice the size of Philly's); similar inadequate and underfunded transit systems; similar rundown 19th-century housing stock that gives the cities their distinct look; similar world-class universities just outside the central core (Penn/UofT). Outside downtown both Toronto and Philly sprawl forever over essentially flat landscapes." - CS2000, Online Commenter

"Philadelphia has a lot of elements of Queen St." - Brent Thomas, Entrepreneur

"Toronto shares more similarity with Philadephia than with New York to be honest." - Boticelli, Online Commenter

The people have spoken. And while there may be some nuggets of truth in their statements, Toronto is still one-of-a-kind in the end! What's your verdict? Leave a comment below!

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09-13-2009, 05:04 PM

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I have always dreamed to live in an American city. I especially liked the big ones, NY, LA, and Chicago. But immigration (even w/ a masters) to these places is v. hard, in some cases impossible. I have realised Canada is easier to get into, and my love for the biggest and best cities drew me to Toronto.

What is Toronto like in comparison to the average US city?(differences, similarities, lifestyle?)

I know the crime rate is significantly lower which is always a plus

What is the Canadian city lifestyle like in comparison to the US city lifestyle? (are they very similar?)

thanks

09-14-2009, 12:17 AM

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What is Toronto like in comparison to the average US city?(differences, similarities, lifestyle?)

I know the crime rate is significantly lower which is always a plus

What is the Canadian city lifestyle like in comparison to the US city lifestyle? (are they very similar?)

thanks

Well, LA is completely different (weather, no subway, spread out, geography with mountains/hills, no big downtown core). So let's take it out of the discussion. Comparing Toronto to Chicago is probably the most realistic. Weather is more similar, both have downtown cores, subways, next to lakes, etc. For the most part, societal and cultural trends are fairly similar between Canada and the US. People like to pick out the differences and pretend we're completely different, but you're not going to notice a huge difference in how someone from Toronto or Chicago will carry on a discussion with you. If you're looking to compare living costs, weather, avg income etc. I would start by checking wikipedia or citystats.ca:

Toronto, Ontario - Detailed City Profile

Toronto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

//www.city-data.com/city/Chicago-Illinois.html

Chicago - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you make up your mind on a particular place, I would highly recommend vacationing there before committing to the move.

09-14-2009, 07:16 AM

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I gather that you would be coming from either Ireland or the UK. In light of this fact, initially at least you would probably find that life in Toronto is essentially how you envisioned life in the U.S. to be. I don’t know what is attracting you to the U.S. but much (if not most) of what the U.S. offers is also present in the mainstream lifestyle in Toronto. After a while living in Toronto, however, you would start to notice the subtle differences between life in Canada and the U.S. Note that many immigrants to Canada are actually people who for some reason could not get into to the U.S., or who applied for entry to both countries but Canada said yes first. Some of these people do use Canada as a jumping-off point to the States and eventually move there. But many also end up weighing the good and bad points of both countries and end up staying put in Canada.

Of course, none of this should be construed as an insinuation that Canada is a "sloppy seconds" immigration destination compared to the States. Not at all. Canada is actually one of the most desirable places in the world to move to, and is the *first* most-sought-after choice for many of the world’s migrants.

09-14-2009, 10:24 AM

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I'd say that Toronto comparing to American cities , has much lower crime rate, cleaner, people are more polite... generally I don't see any advantages living in US vs Canada... Also note that Canada and US ate tottaly different countries in many aspects...like Canada has Universal Health Care (privte in US), Canada is much more social protective than States (EI, maternity leave, vacations, hours of work etc).

You may want to read artivcle: Special Canada Day Report: How Canada stole the American Dream | Macleans.ca - Canada - Features

09-14-2009, 11:02 AM

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LA does have a subway system, actually 5 lines totally 28kms, with 2 lines under construction, and several under planning. It is actually not too bad for LA's bad reputation as a car-dependent city.

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Toronto, Ontario - Detailed City Profile

Toronto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

//www.city-data.com/city/Chicago-Illinois.html

Chicago - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you make up your mind on a particular place, I would highly recommend vacationing there before committing to the move.

09-14-2009, 11:02 AM

Location: Boston, MA & Istanbul, Turkey

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Originally Posted by MapleLeaf

You may want to read artivcle: Special Canada Day Report: How Canada stole the American Dream | Macleans.ca - Canada - Features

Way to compare in such broad terms, how can you possibly make a comparison, if you are not comparing a specific US city with Toronto. What you are saying is true when TO is compared to some US cities, but others you are way off base. Lower Crime Rate? True Toronto has a much lower Murder rate than basically any major US city, but at the same time has a much higher Sexual Assault rate than many major US cities. Cleaner? Maybe NYC, but cleaner than Denver, Seattle and Portland for example. Plus Toronto's air quality rating is very poor compared to many US cities. More Polite? This is completely subjective, how can you honestly make that statement unless you have visited every major US city?

As far as social programs are concerned, please see one of my old posts: //www.city-data.com/forum/canad...l#post10037318

Why would anyone live in the US as opposed to Canada? Well higher salaries, cheaper travel options, option of living in warmer weather, lower taxes, lower Cost of living. I am sure many people have their reasons. Me personally I left TO for mainly career reasons, and also to try something new and different. The closest offer in TO to what I received here in Boston was aprox. 20k less (my wife 15k) couple that with a much lower tax burden and your disposable income is considerably higher. Contrary to popular opinion in Canada we also are not overworked (I started with 5 weeks vacation, my wife 4) and our health insurance is paid 100% by our companies. We are not in the minority either, in our fields most companies in Mass are competitive. SO when making the comparison you need to look at your personal circumstances, for many people Toronto would be a better options, but equally as many can find a better life in a major US city.

To the OP: What field or industry do you work in? What are you looking for in a city? You would need to be specific to see if somewhere in the US would offer a better opportunity to yourself and your family.

09-14-2009, 11:17 AM

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I have to say your view"generally I don't see any advantages living in US vs Canada" is too biased. All the benefits come from our own pockets. The one evil thing in Canada compared with the US that OP should be aware is its oligopolistic market. basically a very limited number of large companies dominate several important industries such as airplane, telecommunication, oil etc which squeezes out healthy competition and drive up prices harming consumers. Basically you pay 20-30% more on average to purchase the same basket of goods. Plus, salary is considerably lower in Canada than in the US. On the pro side, Canada is much safter than almost all US cities. This is a very big advantage. Health care, it really depends who you are. If you are poor and don't have good employer medical insurance, you are better off in Canada as the government takes care a lot of it. EI etc, again, comes from the pocket from those who do work, so it is hard to say it is a good thing to everybody. Canadians do enjoy more vacation time than Americans (it is sometimes hard to Americans to take time off even though they are entitled to a certain numbers of days), and there is generally less stress in the work environment in Canada as well.

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09-14-2009, 10:37 PM

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As far as social programs are concerned, please see one of my old posts: //www.city-data.com/forum/canad...l#post10037318

From your profile , your are from Boston... I've been to Boston several times and without any hasitation would tell that people in Toronto more polite... in Boston I felt pretty insecure while walking in downtown, in Toronto is totally opposite feeling. Every year I go to States several times per year and have been in major (and not only) cities of about 15 states, include NYC, Boston, Porland (OR), Sacramento, Orlando etc... and I find Toronto cleaner and people more polite. Regarding salaries. Agree that in cities like NYC, Boston, or Silicon Valley area salaries are high... however, salaries in Sent Louis, Portland or for example Phoenix are not high than in Toronto.... Currently, we pushed by my wife employer to relocate to California ... so I did a real comparisson with number regarding taxes and it figures that "much high taxes in Canada" is a myth. For income of $100,000 taxes in Cali and Ontario practically the same... in Alberta and BC about $4000 lower than in Cali! Nore that in Alberta there are no Provincial tax and combine sales tax is 5%. And take in consideration that Canadians don't pay for Health care! And as per stats from WHO, Heath Care in Canada is much better than in US. (child mortality rate is better even in Cuba comparing to States) Maybe you have a long vacation , but avarage American has less vacation than Canadian. For example I work for American company and we have work week 37.5 hours, Americans who is working for the same company have 40 hours. Agree that weather in many parts of States is better than in Toronto, but not in Chicago , Detroit or Boston...

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09-14-2009, 10:46 PM

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Basically you pay 20-30% more on average to purchase the same basket of goods. Plus, salary is considerably lower in Canada than in the US.

The wealth numbers, in particular, are shocking. As of 2005, the median family in Canada was worth US$122,600, according to Statistics Canada, while the U.S. Federal Reserve pegged the median American family at US$93,100 in 2004. Those figures, the most recent available, already include an adjustment for our higher prices, and thanks to the rising loonie Canadians are likely even further ahead today. We're ahead mainly because Americans carry far more debt than we do, and it means that the median Canadian family is a full 30 per cent wealthier than the median American family.
And current numbers will be even more shocking, as prices of the houses in many states drop 30-40%, As per article in NY Times "analysts anticipate more than six million Americans could lose their homes in the next three years" BTW, last years, Unemployment rate in US high than in Canada.

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On the pro side, Canada is much safter than almost all US cities. This is a very big advantage. Health care, it really depends who you are. If you are poor and don't have good employer medical insurance, you are better off in Canada as the government takes care a lot of it. EI etc, again, comes from the pocket from those who do work, so it is hard to say it is a good thing to everybody.

Beleive me, we are not poor by any means, but still prefer Universal Health Care, as does huge majority of all Canadiens and BTW Europeans.
US is the only developed country with private health care in the world

09-15-2009, 06:25 AM

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I was trying to book a flight to Los Angeles for next month and find the cheapest ticket I could get is $577, while the cheapest flight from Buffalo on the same day is $236. So shocking. I don't know what kind of "fees" the YYZ airport is collecting. Can anyone explain what the hell is happening? This is frustrating.

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People are polite enough in US cities, I personally prefer the vibe (a little short and abrupt) in the northeast as opposed to when I lived in the South and everybody acted like they were your friend, different strokes for different folks a guess.

As far as being insecure in Downtown Boston that is actually quite laughable. You must be a nervous person in general. Please look at the homicide map for Boston from this year (2009 murders in Boston - Boston.com) 1 total murder downtown (Back Bay) and that was the notorious "Craigslist" killer case that happened to a prostitute in an upscale hotel room. Hardly random. 37 total murders this year in a metro area with 4.5million people, hardly a war zone!

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Regarding salaries. Agree that in cities like NYC, Boston, or Silicon Valley area salaries are high... however, salaries in Sent Louis, Portland or for example Phoenix are not high than in Toronto....

Comparing Toronto to mid sized cities with depressed economies like St. Louis and Portland is not fair. In addition the COL in Toronto is more comparable to Chicago and Boston than Portland and Phoenix so the salaries should be comparable. That is not the case though, I work with many Canadians as does my wife and they all came here for substantially higher salaries.

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Currently, we pushed by my wife employer to relocate to California ... so I did a real comparisson with number regarding taxes and it figures that "much high taxes in Canada" is a myth. For income of $100,000 taxes in Cali and Ontario practically the same... in Alberta and BC about $4000 lower than in Cali! Nore that in Alberta there are no Provincial tax and combine sales tax is 5%. And take in consideration that Canadians don't pay for Health care!

You cannot compare tax rates based on marginal percentages or plugging it into one of those paycheque calculators is not a true comparison. You need to factor in deductions and expemptions which are substantially more generous in the US as opposed to Canada. The tax burden between the two countries is not close at all to be honest. Also keep in mind that our health insurance that we pay also is tax exempt and comes out of our paycheques before taxes. You can also deduct medical expenses if they reach a certain percentage of your total income as well. I understand the way this works better than most because I am an accountant.

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And as per stats from WHO, Heath Care in Canada is much better than in US. (child mortality rate is better even in Cuba comparing to States)
Maybe you have a long vacation , but avarage American has less vacation than Canadian. For example I work for American company and we have work week 37.5 hours, Americans who is working for the same company have 40 hours.

On that same WHO study Canada ranked 30th in the world, only 7 slots ahead of the US which placed 37th. This study heavily favored countries with Universal access so Canada had a major advantage over the US and still finished 30th, which is deplorable. If you read into the study you would see that every nation in the top 10 has a mixed system, where private insurers are allowed to compete with the government insurance. The difference between those nations and the US is that Universal access is guaranteed, but a monopoly held by the government (Like in Canada) does not exist. I agree that the US needs to do something drastic about the Healthcare situation in this country, it is a huge issue and I applaud President Obama for making this his main domestic priority. With that being said though the Canadian system is one of the LAST systems I would model overhaul after. A mixture of Public and Private has worked much better in Europe and Asia than a government run monopoly has in Canada. The study that you referenced proves so. If you want to look at something interesting though, compare the healthcare results and systems between Ontario and Massachusetts. Massachusetts passed a Universal Healthcare law in 2006 and it has had great results. This is a preview of what Federal healthcare reform will look like, Obama's plan is almost identical to Mass.

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You may want to read artivcle: [url="http://www.macleans.ca/canada/national/article.jsp?content=20080625_50113_50113"][color=#0062bf]Special Canada Day Report: How Canada stole the American Dream | Macleans.ca - Canada - Features

I read the article before I posed my reply. This is factoring in the culture of debt that is so prevalent in the US. It is embarrassing how certain regions of the US view debt and I agree that people are more conservative with their money in many areas of Canada as compared to especially the South and West coast of America.

With that debt being factored in you will obviously have a lower net worth, this still does not argue the fact that in a comparable US city to Toronto you will earn more. So if you are responsible with your money and relocate to the US for job reasons you are way ahead of where you were in Canada, my wife and I are living proof.

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09-15-2009, 09:40 AM

Location: Boston, MA & Istanbul, Turkey

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This is why we need to flight within states we're driving to Buffalo (just 1.5 hour).
Regarding travelling...I askquestion on California thread "where ppl going for vacation"... to my surprise majority never go outside the state at all!

maximum to border state...

In Toronto area I don't know ANYONE (even who gets a minimum salary) who didn't go at least to Cuba, Dominican, Mexico and so on... personally , we are going abroad at least 2-3 times per year

What I always found when searching for vacations in Toronto was that the deals were always slanted towards resort based vacations (especially ALL-Inclusive) and the other options were always limited. So what I saw was many of my friends spending vacation time in Cuba, Mexico, DR, etc as you said. Now I do not want to insult anyones choice of travel, because we all travel for different reasons and with different objectives, but I personally (and my wife) absolutely hate All-Inclusive vacations and would never go on another one again. What you will find is that people in progressive US cities will save to travel internationally to something more than a beach vacation, especially when living in California which has beautiful beaches for a fraction of the price. Why spend money to go to a beach when you have one right down the road from you? I would rather be in Asia, Europe or South America.

All of our friends here in Boston are very well traveled and the flights to Europe especially are very affordable, much more affordable than Toronto. We have traveled internationally to 6 different countries in the past year for a fraction of the price of what we would have paid leaving from Pearson.

09-15-2009, 09:46 AM

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As a recent Canadian (Ontario) transplant to the US (Texas) here is my two cents on the healthcare comparison. Yes Canada has universal healthcare, and that means you do not need private insurance to pay for doctors, treatment, hospital stays etc. That means even the poorest person in the country has exactly the same coverage as the richest. This is a great advantage if you are at the lower end of the income scale. There is also no limit to the care you can receive, so again, if you have a serious illness that requires expensive care, you are covered. Keep in mind that most Canadians have supplemental private health care that covers costs over and above the bare minimum. (Drugs, semi-private hospital rooms etc.) The catch with this system is you are covered IF you can get to see a doctor, or get access to the treatment. Waiting times are something that has been the focus of the Canadian medical world for the last 20 years. Critical cases get immediate attention, but fringe cases must wait a long time. In many cases these fringe cases can then develop into critical cases. If you are in the group that would get company paid health insurance in the US, in my opinion, you are in a better situation. Yes you still pay a portion of your costs, but you have near immediate access to doctors and treatments that you need. One big gotcha is that most health plans have a lifetime ceiling for costs. In Canada I was one of the 1 or 2 million Ontarions that did not have a family doctor. None of the doctors in my area were accepting new patients. When I got a kidney stone, I was admitted into emergency immediately and given morphne for the pain. (Good). The ER doctor referred me to a urologist and provided a week's worth of pain killers. (Good). Earliest appointment I could get at the urologist was in 1 month. (Bad) I ran out of pain killers within a week. Went back to emergency to get a refill, they said no. I would have to go to my family doctor. I don't have one. Too bad, get one. (Bad) I ended up back in emergency two more times on morphine for pain attacks. Got a pain killer refill for one week each time. This extra cost could have been avoided if I had enough pain killer to keep the pain down and avoid the critical attacks. In the US, my wife recently had a problem. Got an appointment with a specialist for the next day based on a friend's recommendation. Was sent for an MRI the same day at a private clinic, not a hospital. The doctor had the results in 48 hours and was able to relieve fears of a more serious issue. She was treated and recovered within a week. There is no way you would see a specialist and schedule an MRI in that time frame in Canada unless you were brought into a hospital by ambulance. I just called up a GP yesterday and have an appointment for today. After 12 years I am finally going to get full preventive medical service again. Sorry for the long post, but I just wanted to point out that there is more to a health system than numbers and graphs, and whether or not the government is paying for it. If you want to debate whether or not a universal health care system is good for a country as a whole, then you look at how it impacts all stratas of society. If you are looking at which heath care system is good for you as a person, then you get a lot more selfish and look at which system better fits your specific situation and standing within the various strata.

One last thought. Either way you pay for your medical coverage. Either by yourself, through your employer who adds in onto the price of the product he sells, or through the government who adds it onto your taxes.

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09-15-2009, 10:47 AM

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Italked to many relatives/friends who live in States and no one has 100% coverage ...in best case they have 90% and paying from $200 to $800 per month to have those 90%. So if you have even simple surgery, you have to pay a lot out-of-pocket. Regular visit to doctor costs $15 etc. I don't know where you lived in Ontario, we're new immigrants (from 1999) and right away without any problem got pretty good family doctor (in West Toronto) In any case, if you don't want to wait for example for MRI, you may go to private clinics

Toronto MRI Clinics for Private MRI Scans in Toronto

as you are right "most Canadians have supplemental private health care that covers costs over and above the bare minimum. (Drugs, semi-private hospital rooms etc.)" and also fexible money that you can put on your Health Spending Account

09-15-2009, 11:22 AM

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this is personal...we like All Inclusive vacations because we have small kids.
But also we're travelling to Europe, 2 years ago we went to Germany/Czech and Israel...next year planning to go to Barcelona...

You cannot compare cold Pacific ocean with sea/beaches at Cuba or Punta Cana. It's totally different experience. Every year were going to Cape Cod (Top Mast in North Truro) in summer, but always going to Caribbean in spring.

09-15-2009, 11:40 AM

Location: Dripping Springs , TX

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Toronto MRI Clinics for Private MRI Scans in Toronto

Please get all the facts straight. Health plans down here are very confusing. We had a hard time trying to understand them all. Yes, some plans cover up to a percentage of the cost. Other plans (such as what we have) have an up front co-pay system where you have a fixed cost for each service that you pay for. Yes we have a $20 co-pay for a trip to the doctor, and surgery will have a co-pay of $120. I have no problem with this approach. It means I will not be wasting the doctor's time with minor ailments, because it will cost me as well. The best way to make sure something is abused is to make it free. If you got a family doctor as soon as you moved here, then you were very lucky. We lived in York region and it is very understaffed in terms of doctors per polulation. At one point my parents looked at movig in with us. They decided not to because they were afraid they would not be able to replace their doctors.

Regarding the private MRI clinic. Who pays for it?

09-15-2009, 11:41 AM

Location: Boston, MA & Istanbul, Turkey

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As I said I was not trying to insult anyones choice of vacation, I am saying that it is not our preference. So based on our preference it is substantially cheaper to fly to Europe for example from Boston than Toronto. For example look for a flight in March to Barcelona from Toronto compared to Boston...the difference is $225 per ticket. That is money we could be spending on quite a few of the Michelin starred restaurants that Barcelona has to offer (You will love Barcelona, btw its our favorite city)

Maybe not the Pacific, but how about Florida and elsewhere in the Gulf. The water is just as warm and places like Siesta Key are very similar if not nicer than many Caribbean islands. Nothing against the Caribbean though it is where I am from.

09-15-2009, 12:02 PM

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Once again this is completely based on personal experience. My employer (the largest company in Mass, btw) pays our premiums 100%. Basic doctor vists are $15, but surgery and hospital overnights stays are covered 100% as well. My wifes plan is the exact same. My co-worker who just came back from Maternity Leave paid a total of $15 to have her baby, which was her 1st appointment with her OB/GYN, everything else was covered 100%. As I said I was not trying to insult anyones choice of vacation, I am saying that it is not our preference. So based on our preference it is substantially cheaper to fly to Europe for example from Boston than Toronto. For example look for a flight in March to Barcelona from Toronto compared to Boston...the difference is $225 per ticket. That is money we could be spending on quite a few of the Michelin starred restaurants that Barcelona has to offer (You will love Barcelona, btw its our favorite city)

OK, it's 20% cheaper, but not "fraction" as you mentioned before. However, 10 years ago it would've been the same price (than $1CAD = 0.60 US cents, now it's 0.92)

On other hand, as I mentioned, we can fly from Buffalo 1.5hours drive (that what we did when flew to Orlando)

For sure, water in FL is much warmer than in CA, but we have 2 choices of relocation Portland or Folsom/Santa Clara... and from Toronto Florida is more accessible (many ppl drive there) than from CA...

PS. To bad you guys cannot go to Cuba... Pilar Beach at Cayo Coco is the best IMHO

09-15-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MapleLeaf

The flight from Toronto is international, from Buffalo - domestic

OK. Let's compare DEMESTIC, since you are interested. New York City to Seattle round trip, 6 hours direct, $257 Toronto to Vancouver, round trip, 5 hours direct, $602 I searched using the same dates. The above are both cheapest available tickets. The Toronto-Vancouver actually has a shorter distance, but is 134% more expensive.

What's your argument now?

I can't say I am not pissed off about being ripped off.

09-15-2009, 02:08 PM

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ok, so is Toronto like US cities lifestyle-wise or not?

09-15-2009, 02:33 PM

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ok, so is Toronto like US cities lifestyle-wise or not?

For the most part, it is very similar.

If you told us what you find most appealling about the U.S., then maybe we could give you some more precise answers about life in Toronto and Canada in general.

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09-15-2009, 05:38 PM

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I always found that people in Toronto were more interested in being more like an American city than a Canadian city. It is one of the most American influenced cities in Canada. I have traveled extensively in the US and am now living here. Lifestyle wise there is not much difference between Canadian and US cities. There are more differences between cities from different regions within the same country than Canadian versus US. Example: Halifax vs Montreal vs Toronto vs Calgary vs Vancouver. New York vs Chicago vs Houston vs Atlanta vs Los Angeles vs Seattle.

Coming from Europe, you will not see any immediate differences.

09-15-2009, 06:43 PM

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Again, you are biased in your statement. When it comes to traveling, the Americans do have more options than Canadians within their country, this is especially true for those who like visiting cities, enjoy their nightlife, museum, dining etc. Canada doesn't offer as much. And it is especially true for winters. the US has Florida and California, what options do we have here?

As to Californians not going abroad, it really depends on who you asked. I used to have 2 roommates, one went to Tahiti for his honeymoon, and one visited UK multiple times. As to Cuba, there is no flight from the US to Cuba, in case you are not aware of.

FYI, there are flights from Cuba to Miami, New York and a few other cities. these are charter flights pretty much used by Cuban Americans to go back to the islands to visit their families.

09-16-2009, 08:52 AM

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What's your argument now?

I can't say I am not pissed off about being ripped off.

OK, you convinced me

The 1st clear advantage of living in US - cheaper flights... the only thing , you may live inCanada and use US flights

09-16-2009, 09:22 AM

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OK, you convinced me

The 1st clear advantage of living in US - cheaper flights... the only thing , you may live inCanada and use US flights

All I am saying is living in the US and Canada has both pros and cons. For an immigrant like me who have lived in both countries, my summary about living in the US is Pros: almost everything cheaper (cellphone plans, car insurance, travel are all 50% cheaper), higher salary, more job oppotunities, better weather available, much more cities to choose from, lower tax Cons: more dangerous in general, frustrating immigration process, higher healthcare cost, much more stressful in the working environment (more money at the cost of longer working hours and less vacation). I have noticed that some Canadians simply claim Canada is better is all aspects. It is simply not true, at least not for everyone. Canada of course has its cons, otherwise why more people immigrate to the US than Canada. I generally don't consider "better social welfare" as an absolute good thing. It is a choice. I have seen healthy young men in the 20s or 30s choose not to work but either beg for money or get money from the government. They don't even think it is shameful but rather a "lifestyle". I wouldn't want to give a dime to them. They are plenty of stores on the streets with signs "we are hiring" but they obviously think working with their own hands is too boring and tiring. I believe the government should push its people to work hard rather than promising to take care of everything if they choose to be lazy. This is the reason why the United States (the country with the worst social protection among developed countries) has a much bigger economy than all others including the European countries.

I pay $2000 a month in tax and I don't know how much of that goes to feed the lazy people with perfect health but choose to rely on social benefit. Why should my hard-earned money pay for their health care?

09-16-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MapleLeaf

OK, it's 20% cheaper, but not "fraction" as you mentioned before. However, 10 years ago it would've been the same price (than $1CAD = 0.60 US cents, now it's 0.92)

On other hand, as I mentioned, we can fly from Buffalo 1.5hours drive (that what we did when flew to Orlando)

PS. To bad you guys cannot go to Cuba... Pilar Beach at Cayo Coco is the best IMHO

Actually if you base the savings on the total cost of the flight it is 33% cheaper. I would much rather be able to fly out of my local airport (15min subway ride) than drive an hr and a half, plus cross customs and immigration. The Bay Area is beautiful, you not being able to find an advantage between SF over TO is beyond me, but as I said it all comes down to personal circumstances. Me personally? I would choose SF over TO in a heartbeat.

I have actually been to Cayo Coco (Stayed at the Tryp resort) The beaches were beautiful but it is that experience that turned my impression of All-Inclusive. Bad food, limited activities and not being able to truly experience the local culture.

09-16-2009, 10:12 AM

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For the most part, it is very similar.

If you told us what you find most appealling about the U.S., then maybe we could give you some more precise answers about life in Toronto and Canada in general.

TBH, i love bustling cities. I love capitalism I love large populations of people shoved into one place (i grew up in LDN) I love cities where it is so big you can get anything you want at any time of day

09-16-2009, 10:27 AM

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Honestly if those are your likes (I share the same view as you!) then there is no where in North America that would match up to NYC for what you want in a city.

There would really be no true match in Canada.

09-16-2009, 10:54 AM

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Honestly if those are your likes (I share the same view as you!) then there is no where in North America that would match up to NYC for what you want in a city.

There would really be no true match in Canada.

I must concur. Toronto is pretty much a medium-sized metropolis in the global scheme of things, more on the scale of Berlin, Milan and Madrid. New York is unrivalled in North America, even within the United States. On this continent, Toronto and Chicago would probably be most similar to NYC (LA is much larger than both of these but has a totally different feel) but even then they are not even close to the Big Apple.

Note also that the New York City is far from being a typical lifestyle for the United States of America, and would best be described as atypical for the U.S.

09-16-2009, 11:05 AM

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Different strokes for different folks. Canada is a very popular destination for immigrants and many newcomers end up loving it here. Others find it not to their liking and end up in Rio de Janeiro or Kuala Lumpur or wherever and think these places are heaven on earth - for them. Even some of our native-born Canadians end up moving to Indianapolis, Cape Town or Bologna and living perfectly happy lives there. I find extremely annoying the typically Canadian impulsion to always try and portray it as being the best place on earth. Especially when people from abroad are prodded and guilt-tripped into (finally) admitting how great Canada is.

As if Canada it were the only country in the world with an enviable quality of life. The truth is there are about 20-odd countries in the world that offer a comparable quality of life to Canada’s, with millions of people living happily in all of them.

09-16-2009, 12:21 PM

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Montreal fits this better than Toronto does. New York would the perfect fit.

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09-16-2009, 12:32 PM

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TBH, i love bustling cities. I love capitalism I love large populations of people shoved into one place (i grew up in LDN)

I love cities where it is so big you can get anything you want at any time of day

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Montreal fits this better than Toronto does. New York would the perfect fit.

For three of the four perhaps. Not sure I would put Montreal ahead of Toronto in terms of capitalist drive.

09-16-2009, 03:28 PM

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The truth is there are about 20-odd countries in the world that offer a comparable quality of life to Canada’s, with millions of people living happily in all of them.

In my opinion , for immigrants there only 4 countries where they people can live and not to be kinda "outcast" and those immigrant-countries Canada, US, NZ and Australia... As per our family personal situation, my wife is ready to lose job and find a new one and not to relocate to US, even though our income in this case will drop in range from 20K to 50K.

P.S. just to note, I'm immigrant , in Canada 10 years, was born in USSR and 10 years lived in Israel

09-16-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Acajack

TBH, i love bustling cities. I love capitalism I love large populations of people shoved into one place (i grew up in LDN)

I love cities where it is so big you can get anything you want at any time of day

For three of the four perhaps. Not sure I would put Montreal ahead of Toronto in terms of capitalist drive.

Montreal (and all QC) is the most socialists province in Canada with highest taxes.
In my opinio the best cities in Canada (and don't beat me in NA) are Toronto and Vancouver

09-16-2009, 03:31 PM

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"I love large populations of people shoved into one place (i grew up in LDN)" Just don't compare London and NYC...totally different cities... I've een to both and liked London and hates NYC.

09-16-2009, 03:39 PM

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I am 100% with you. I love big cities. When I talk about cities, I mean places with population over 1 million at least, preferably over 2 million. I never consider places with 500K or 700K people are "cities". They are all towns to me as they simply don't have the city vibe. Everything becomes head quiet after 10 PM. A place with no subway/LRT can hardly be called a city as well. A city should be condensed, with many high rises (20-50 fl) and everything within short distance (having to drive to buy milk and eggs or catch a move is not an acceptable lifestyle to me).

There must be a downtown core where lights never go out. You can walk out at 3 am and get whatever you want.

09-17-2009, 08:49 AM

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only 4 cities in US and 3 in Canada have populaton > 1 mil

09-17-2009, 11:18 AM

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This raises the age-old question of central city population vs. metro population. If you use just the central city population, there are only two "millionaire" cities in Canada: Toronto and Montreal. Calgary is almost there but not quite. As well, using the central city measure, Calgary Ottawa, Edmonton, Winnipeg and the Toronto megasuburb of Mississauga are all bigger than Vancouver, considered by everyone to be Canada's third largest city.

Using the metropolitan measure, Canada actually has six cities with over one million people: Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Ottawa(-Gatineau), Calgary and Edmonton.

09-17-2009, 11:38 AM

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Using the metropolitan measure, Canada actually has six cities with over one million people: Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Ottawa(-Gatineau), Calgary and Edmonton.

Very true. I prefer to measure each city by metro area, I think that gives people a better sense of the overall size of a city. I used that link because I believe that MapleLeaf was most likely referring to Central statistics when he said there were only 4 in the US.

Expanding out to Metro, you would have 52 cities with a population over 1m Table of United States Metropolitan Statistical Areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

09-17-2009, 12:00 PM

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I find the U.S. Bureau of the Census to be a bit loosey-goosey with their metropolitan area boundaries, but still 30 or 40 metros with more than 1 million people in a country like the U.S. sounds like a pretty accurate number to me.

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09-17-2009, 04:34 PM

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only 4 cities in US and 3 in Canada have populaton > 1 mil

True. When I say city, I mean the city proper. For example, Mississauga, Markham etc are not part of Toronto. I don't even consider Scarborough or Etobicoke part of Toronto. They are simply suburbs. A city needs to have a large population within a small area. So agglomeration never makes a city. I agree with you there are at most 4 cities in the US in the real sense. Places like Boston, San Francisco, well, they are nice, but really too tiny to be called cities. Maybe "small cities". The same thing applies to Vancouver. You walk for half a day and you pretty much see the entire downtown, where you actually see people and stores. Those almost pure residential areas... they don't count really because the density is not there.

LA is marginally a real city, as everything is so spreadout. A city has to be condensed. You need to see the crowd all the time to call a place a city. OK, maybe my definition of city is more like "big city".

But small cities are just towns.

IMO, Montreal has more of a city vibe than Toronto. New York and Chicago, on the other hand, are what define "city" in North America. A place is hardly a city without even a few 50+ floor story buildings.

09-17-2009, 06:19 PM

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US metro's are HUGE. If you applied the US metro area measurement to Toronto's area, the metro of Toronto would have over 8 million people, close to Chicago. (the Golden Horseshoe)

09-18-2009, 07:24 AM

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IMO, Montreal has more of a city vibe than Toronto.

I’ve always found that too, though it’s much smaller than Toronto. Perhaps it’s the fact that the local culture is much stronger and more pervasive that gives Montreal more of a feeling that it’s its own place.

09-18-2009, 07:49 AM

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St Catherine, Sherbrook, Masonneuve, and Rene Levesque, all these streets are very "cosmopolitan". The layout of the city and the width of the streets give a big city impression. On the other hand, Toronto's streets are so much narrower for some reason... with the exception of University Ave, which is dominated by hospitals, governments and insurance companies so not much happen there. Our Yonge street (downtown) part, Queen, Dundas, all these major throughfare just look cramped and old. The entertainment district... really doesn't look young and hippy.. the buildings look tired in my eyes. The most modern areas for me are: Yong/University/King, Bloor/Avenue Rd, Yonge/St Claire.

St Lawrence Market and the Annex, many people like them. However, they give more of a cozy town feel, not a big city vibe. As to Queen/King west, sorry, it simply looks not having been taken good care of.

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The world's top cities offering the best quality of life[SIZE=2][/SIZE] 2009 Rank 2008 Rank City Country 1 =2 Vienna Austria 2 1 Zurich Switzerland 3 =2 Geneva Switzerland =4 4 Vancouver Canada =4 5 Auckland New Zealand 6 6 Düsseldorf Germany 7 =7 Munich Germany 8 =7 Frankfurt Germany 9 9 Bern Switzerland 10 10 Sydney Australia 11 11 Copenhagen Denmark 12 12 Wellington New Zealand 13 13 Amsterdam Netherlands 14 14 Brussels Belgium 15 15 Toronto Canada +16 19 Ottawa Canada =16 16 Berlin Germany 18 +17 Melbourne Australia 19 =17 Luxembourg Luxembourg 20 20 Stockholm Sweden 21 21 Perth Australia 22 22 Montreal Canada 23 23 Nürnberg Germany 24 24 Oslo Norway 25 =25 Dublin Ireland =26 32 Singapore Singapore =26 25 Calgary Canada 28 27 Hamburg Germany 29 28 Honolulu USA =30 =29 San Francisco USA =30 =29 Helsinki Finland =30 =29 Adelaide Australia 32 32 Paris France 34 34 Brisbane Australia =35 35 Tokyo Japan =35 37 Boston USA 37 36 Lyon France =38 38 Yokohama Japan =38 38 London UK 40 40 Kobe Japan 41 41 Milan Italy =42 48 Portland USA =42 42 Barcelona Spain =44 =44 Washington DC USA =44 =44 Osaka Japan =44 =44 Lisbon Portugal =44 =44 Chicago USA 48 43 Madrid Spain 49 49 New York City USA 50 49 Seattle USA

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09-18-2009, 11:06 PM

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But small cities are just towns.

Scarborough and Etobicoke are indeed a part of Toronto's city proper, they may be fairly suburban looking in much of their built form, but they're still part of the city just as the suburban looking areas of outer Queens are a part of NYC or the bungalow belt is a part of Chicago. IMO Toronto has just as much of a city vibe as Montreal, some parts of downtown Toronto have no match in Canada as far as building density and pedestrian traffic are concerned.

You don't consider Boston and San Francisco to be cities??? IMO that is really ridiculous, they are among the the most dense, urban and vibrant places on the continent and the centre of metropolitan areas containing millions of people. Aside from NYC, Boston and SF are perhaps the most "big city" feeling places in the US, even more so than a larger city like Chicago.

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09-21-2009, 08:29 AM

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Here is the link: City Mayors: Best cities in the world (Mercer)

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I think it's interesting that the US doesn't have a "best city" in the top 25...I wonder what would need to happen to get there? Lower crime, more accessable health care?

10-12-2009, 03:03 PM

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Toronto, Ontario - Detailed City Profile

Toronto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

//www.city-data.com/city/Chicago-Illinois.html

Chicago - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you make up your mind on a particular place, I would highly recommend vacationing there before committing to the move.

Those weather avreages from Toronto are wrong, Heres more accurate statistics.

Statistics: Toronto Pearson Int´l, ON, Canada - The Weather Network

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One should ALWAYS take ANY survey with a grain of salt. It depends on their criteria and how weight; there are several (not just one) worldwide survey of cities and all their results vary; further proof that these should be looked at as a guide and not as absolute fact.

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I'd say that Toronto comparing to American cities , has much lower crime rate, cleaner, people are more polite... generally I don't see any advantages living in US vs Canada...

Crime rate aside, Toronto is not "cleaner" than NYC, Chicago or Dublin (for that matter). Toronto of the 80's may have had that reputation, but it has completed a total 180 since that time (especially in comparison to NYC). Additionally, it has been my universal experience that Americans are MUCH more friendlier than Canadians. That has held true everywhere I have travelled in Canada and the U.S. (with the exception of Maritime Canada and Newfoundland). Canada may have universal health care, but you should also mention the chronic doctor shortage we have here. As a new Canadian, you will need to sign on a waiting list for a "family doctor" and will need to rely on walk-in clinics and hospital emergency rooms until you are provided with one (which could take years). Be prepared to suffer very long queues in both of these alternative options and possibly being turned away should the clinic close before you receive treatment.

OP: We do have a much better social safety net here, but that comes hand-in-hand with excessive taxes. There is a 13% HST on nearly everything you buy in Ontario, and liquor and cigarettes are very expensive ($35-$40 for 25 bottles of beer, $10-$12 for 25 cigarettes). Gasoline is priced around $1.30 a litre right now, and housing will vary considerably depending on where you decide to live.

As for differences between Canadian and American culture, there really is very little. We share a common history, eat the same foods, watch the same shows, listen to the same music, drive the same cars, wear the same clothes, celebrate the same holidays (albeit with slight regional differences), follow the same sports, enjoy the same movies, and read the same books. I have often wondered what it is that some Canadians vehemently argue is so much different between us and our American cousins. FWIW, I have spent a great deal of time travelling throughout both countries and find the core culture basically the same everywhere.

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Your description about Dr shortage is not true. I found my family doctor quite easily after I settled in Toronto. Took about 2 weeks to find one. I don't where those stories about impossible to find a doctor comes from. There are also plenty of walk in clinics with short waiting time (30 minutes all so).

In the shared culture part, you forgot to specify that we watch same American shows, eat the same American food (McDonald's, Burger King, Wendy's etc), enjoy same American movies, read the same American books, drive the same American/Japanese cars (there are no such thing as Canadian cars); wear the same American clothes (Gap, Banana republic, Guess, Levi's, Victoria's secret etc). You talk as if Canada provides a lot of contents to the US as well, which is misleading.

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08-25-2010, 03:19 PM

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Hello , I'm planning to move to Toronto. I applied for a Nxxus Card to be able to travel back and forth easily from canada to NY. I am going next week fro finger printing. I wanted to know from past experience how anyone from you guys did your whole move? I have done so much research into this and I know it's the best choice I'm making. But can I be able to go down to toronto and try to get a visa to stay and lookf ro work? Or is it much easier and faster to apply for a student visa? I have one child he is 10 years old. Will be going to Junior High School in sept 2011. My parents will be watching over him this whole year so I can focus on planning this move. I would just like any advice and what is the fastest route to go. I don't know if I am a us citizen and I go if I can look for work or apply from abroad while I am still here.Any information would be gladly appreciated.

One thing also I'm hispanic Dominican and wanted to know what area do dominicans leave at more? or just the hispanic areas in toronto just want to visit that area when I go there. Toronto is a beautiful place

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I don't know of any Dominicans in Toronto, but there's a handful of South Americans around the Jane-Weston area.

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Can you apply for work? Sure. But you'll need a work visa or some sort of legal status in order to be hired.

Perhaps you should include this site Welcome Page | Page d'accueil into your research before you get too far into the planning stages.

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I know our Toronto Blue Jays have amazing Dominican baseball players. But i have yet to meet any here sorry. I suggest you find employment before entering the country. It is a wise idea, and will prevent a lot of stress and potential expenses in the long run. You can always find another job once you are settled in and find new oppertunities. Best of luck!

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Hi...I'm planning a move to Toronto & came across your thread. Did you move to Toronto? Any advise you can offer from your experience? I'm also Hispanic :-)

06-19-2011, 09:24 PM

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If you were able to get a Visa to live in Toronto, how did you do it? I too am an American who's looking to move to Toronto.

06-20-2011, 08:21 PM

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If you were able to get a Visa to live in Toronto, how did you do it? I too am an American who's looking to move to Toronto.

You start by going to the Citizenship and Immigration Canada web site and determining which of the various immigration options best applies to your scenario.

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Hi...I'm planning a move to Toronto & came across your thread. Did you move to Toronto? Any advise you can offer from your experience? I'm also Hispanic :-)

That was QueenzJade's only post on CD,its a year old so i guess we'll never know how successful she was in her efforts to come to Canada..

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